This idea started around the last week of December, so after a month we put some money behind our big talking. We were planning on using the AAA car buying service to get a good deal and avoid the new car buying experience. When we went to the dealership to decide on the final color, we ended up getting the same price straight from the dealership. They threw in a 3 hours of haggling with us at no extra charge! We will be driving the car down to San Diego next month for the ECamper conversion.